Hi, Spring, cloud native, and AI fans! In this installment, I had the opportunity to briefly sit down and talk with DevOps and AI luminary Patrick Debois, from the amazing Devoxx UK 2025 show.

Dr. Heinz Kabutz, a legendary Java Champion, teacher, and author of the Java Specialists newsletter!

I'm Josh Long (@starbuxman), a humble Spring developer advocate at @VMWare, and this is A Bootiful Podcast (@BootifulPodcast), a celebration of the real heroes that drive ecosystems.