As Australia faces a new wave of Covid-19 variants, experts say the country has a chance to plot a different course with the virus.

That involves acknowledging that it is not going away - that it will be here for a long time, and that masks and ventilation will be needed to manage it.

Today, lead researcher at the Kirby Institute Raina MacIntyre on hope, denial and Covid-19.

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Guest: Lead researcher at the Kirby Institute Raina MacIntyre.

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