The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-442 – 24-Hour Run with Bill Shultz  (Audio: link) audio:http://www.RunRunLive.com/PodcastEpisodes/epi4442.mp3] Link MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - Intro: Hello and welcome to episode 4-442 of the RunRunLive podcast.  How’s everyone doing?  Stressed out by the year that was 2020?  Today we have a good show for you.  We are going to talk with veteran runner Bill Sullivan about 24-hour races and other things ultra.  Our friend Greg recommended I talk to Bill.  He said ‘Bill has some worderful stories’ and that’s one of the joys of running with a group that I miss.  Running as a social lubricant Where you get into some great story telling.  Besides the fact that it’s my birthday.  Happy Birthday to me.  No, I haven’t gained a new age group yet but I’m getting close and I think this one will net me 15 minutes.  The challenge that I run into, (pun intended), is, besides the apocalypse, my many of my workouts don’t lend themselves to social runs.  It’s not like I’m meeting you in the park for an easy 5K.  I also tend to be rushed for time on most days. I do have Ollie with me on most runs and he keeps me busy by ambushing me, playfully, (I think) nipping at me and running between my legs growling with giant pointy sticks.  Speaking of Ollie, I got one of those step-in harnesses for him that works very well. First, because he hates anything that you have to put over his head.  He will see that coming and unless you’re willing to lose some skin you’re not getting that on him.  This one, you lay it on the floor flat, he steps into with the appropriate treat bribery, and you pull it up and snap it.  Second, he can’t slip out of it.  The collar he can get out of.  The harness is safer.  The rings to attach the leash are on his back, about his shoulders.  Finally, he doesn’t seem to want to pull as hard from that configuration as he does on the leash.  He still leans into it a little but it’s much better.  It’s a little loose.  He’s in between big dog and medium dog, but it’s workable.  In Section One today I’m going talk to you folks who might be ultra-curious.  In section two I’ll give you another apocalypse story.  I’m writing them anyhow so I might as well use them here.  But, today is a momentous day.  This week we have seen the culmination of something that has been years in the making.  A triumph of the soul as well as the physical world.  It is a new dawn.  No longer do I have to be governed by the never-ending worry and stress.  We have burst free of the impure and corrupt.  We are staring ahead at a bright future without the evil constraints of the past.  We have remedied the dirty, corrupt and contaminated state of our lives.  Yes, today, I declare, before all, that this week… I finally finished painting my house.  Yeah. What did you think I was talking about?  Took me all summer.  I did it all with a paint brush.  Looks nice.  Anyhow, back to the old man in the apocalypse.  The only reason this is even tangentially relevant to you in a podcast about running is that my main character is the Old Man, who is an ultra-runner.  In today’s chapter I try to build the backstory with a little exposition.  He is a man who enters the apocalypse having lost faith in humanity and his arc will be how he recovers that faith. I signed up for Nanowrimo.  Which is a daily writing challenge in November.  People try to write a few thousand words a day and finish the month with the first draft of a novel.  I’m not looking to write a novel.  I think my plan is to write a podcast.  I don’t really have the time to sit and write for 6 hours a day, but I can give it a few minutes every morning and see what I come up with.  Stitch together the stories and characters that I have been playing with.  My current plan is to get enough of the story put together into a narrative that I can build a new podcast feed around it.  The first pass will be just me, reading into audio.  If it get’s any kind of traction and if I can build a community around it I can then organize it into a ‘radio play’ in the second version. We’ll see how it goes.  For me it’s a big goal and a big risk. But, I think that’s one of the keys of life.  We talk about ultra-running today.  How many people do you think sign up for their first ultra event thinking they have no chance of failure?  Of course not.  Every one of them doubts whether they can do it.  That’s the beauty of taking big risks.  If you have a good chance to fail you’re guaranteed to learn something along the way.  You’re guaranteed to find your edge.  Even if you fall a little short you’ll move your set point and be ready for even bigger things next time. And that’s how I’m treating this effort in November.  A bit of ‘why not?’  and a bit of ‘who cares?’ And that my friends is a lesson, right?  Don’t aim so low that you are confident you can’t lose.  Because if you do that you’ll never win either. On with the show. About Zero ZERO — The End of Prostate Cancer is the leading national nonprofit with the mission to end prostate cancer. ZERO advances research, improves the lives of men and families, and inspires action. Link to my ZERO page: (for Donations) … I’ll remind you that the RunRunLive podcast is ad free and listener supported.  What does that mean? It means you don’t have to listen to me trying to sound sincere about Stamps.com or Audible.. (although, fyi, my MarathonBQ book is on audible) We do have a membership option where you can become a member and as a special thank you, you will get access to member’s only audio. There are book reviews, odd philosophical thoughts, zombie stories and I curate old episodes for you to listen to.  I recently added that guy who cut off is foot so he could keep training and my first call with Geoff Galloway.   “Curated” means I add some introductory comments and edit them up a bit.  So anyhow – become a member so I can keep paying my bills.   … The RunRunLive podcast is Ad Free and listener supported.  We do this by offering a membership option where members get Access to Exclusive Members Only audio and articles. Member only race reports, essays and other bits just for you! Links are in the show notes and at RunRunLive.com … Section one – For the Ultra-Curious- Voices of reason – the conversation Bill Shultz – Dawn to Dusk to Dawn The Delco Road Runners Club, in Delaware County, PA, is a large, inclusive group of runners, walkers, triathletes, and others fond of fitness. We have more than 200 members of all ages and abilities, and we host fun runs/walks on six days of the week. The club organizes the popular Tyler Arboretum 10K Trail Run, the Dawn to Dusk to Dawn Ultramarathon and the Delaware County High Schools X-C Championship, as well as the Junior Development Track Meet for athletes age 18 and under. Our website, emails, and Facebook page help keep our members up to date on upcoming events and races around the Philadelphia area. Dawn To Dusk To Dawn Ultras If you're looking for an ultra track event, this May be the group for you! D3 is a proud Sponsor of the U.S. National 24 Hour Running Team.   Section two – The Ford of Death-   Outro Ok my friends we have run a 24 hours straight, maybe to set even a world record,  to the end of Episode 4-442 of the RunRunLive Podcast.   I would like to introduce you to Tony.  Tony is THAT guy. The one who binge listened through all 400+ RunRunLive podcasts.  I find this fascinating and I have to get him on the zoom phone to chat about it.  I do the same thing with some of the history podcasts that I listen through.  It’s a weird bit of time traveling because the author lives 10 to 12 years f their life, while you may only listen through it in a couple months.  For you, when listening, you may listen to 4-5 episodes in a row while painting on a Sunday and you get the compressed narrative of the author’s life.  Then you hit the end of the line and eventually run out of fresh content.  There’s this moment of exhilaration and sadness when you realize that the narrative has now slowed to normal time.  Some of these histories I listen to only put out a podcast every month!  And in that time you tease out a bit of the author’s real character behind the character of the avatar they project into the podcast.  I’m training away at my off-season pace.  3-4 easy runs a week with some core work on the off days.  I’ve been super busy with work.  Had to stop riding my bike because we got a cold snap where the temps crashed down to below 20 degrees F and we got a few inches of snow last weekend.  Now, this weekend, it’s 70 again.  I can finish up the yard work and chores I was trying to get done.  We moved the time back last weekend as well.  This means it’s brighter in the morning, which is great for taking Ollie out for his walk.  But, it’s conversely dark at