In episode 9 of the Kidmin Podcast, Kenny Conley sits down with his friend and former colleague Dan Pollak, Kids Director at Flatirons Church, to talk about reinventing VBS.

Dan shares how Flatirons launched a VBS-style experience called Kids Camp, why they chose a nighttime model, and how they adapted a traditional VBS structure for a pre-Christian context. They also unpack practical ways to “go off script” while still benefiting from purchased curriculum, how to program for engagement (especially with older elementary kids), and how to create consistency across multiple campuses.

If you’ve ever felt like your VBS needs fresh energy, better strategy, or a format that fits your community, this episode will help you rethink what VBS can be.