Decoding Taylor Swift
Decoding Taylor Swift
Joe Romm and Toni Romm
Why Eldest Daughter is NOT about Taylor Swift—and what it really means.
1 hour 8 minutes Posted Nov 11, 2025 at 1:00 pm.
0:00
1:08:03
Download MP3
Show notes

Eldest Daughter may be the most controversial song on “The Life of a Showgirl.” Joe and Toni dive headfirst into the controversies about whether this song is too cringe, while raising the provocative question of whether this song is actually about Taylor Swift. And you won’t want to miss our fast-paced interview with New Yorker senior editor Tyler Foggatt who is Taylor fanatic.

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices