In this episode of Two Cents, Hannah and James sit down with Jill Kargman, writer, actress, and creator of Odd Mom Out, to talk about the messy, unpredictable reality of building a creative career.Jill shares what it really took to make it in entertainment, from living with her parents until 25 and making just $18K a year at Interview Magazine, to freelancing for pennies and chasing unpaid invoices. She opens up about the “feast or famine” financial reality of creative work, why writers need to “make multiple bets,” and the importance of taking jobs that may not be glamorous, but still keep you connected to your craft.We also dive into how one unexpected meeting with Andy Cohen helped change the trajectory of her career and eventually led to Odd Mom Out. Jill reflects on rejection, failed book options, starting acting at 39, and why she believes everyone has to do work they don’t love sometimes, but not at the expense of their creative identity.Plus, Jill answers user-submitted questions and shares some of the sharpest, funniest career advice we’ve heard on the podcast yet, including her now-iconic line: “I will burn a bridge so that the fire will light the way for others.”Follow Two Cents / STS on all socials @SalaryTransparentStreet, @twocents.sts, @nowthis Follow Hannah on IG @hannahwilliamsllc, TikTok @hannahwill3amsFollow James on IG @sts.bts