In this episode, Nathan sits down with Swyx of Latent Space to chat about AI engineers and tools to check out, competitive dynamics between OpenAI, other foundation model providers, and developers, and if Swyx would wear an AI Horcrux. We also learn that Nathan lived in the same dorm as Mark Zuckerberg back in his college days (and was a late adopter to Facebook…). If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitiveSubscribe to the show Substack to join future conversations and submit questions to upcoming guests! https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.SPONSORS: Shopify | NetSuite | OmnekyShopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitiveNetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist.Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.TIMESTAMPS:

Episode Preview

AI Nathan’s intro

What is an AI engineer?

What backgrounds do AI engineers typically have?

Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky

Swyx’s Discord AI project

Key tools for AI engineers

HumanLoop, Guardrails, Langchain

Criteria for identifying capable AI engineers when hiring

Skepticism around AI being a fad and doubts about contributing to AI

AI Engineer Conference speaker lineup

AI agents and two years to AGI

Expectations and disagreement around what AI agent capabilities will work soon

Swyx’s OpenAI thesis

AI safety considerations and the role of AI engineers

Disagreement on whether AI will soon be able to generate code pull requests

AI helping non-technical people to code

Multi-modal Chat-GPT and the future implications

Nathan living in the same dorm as Mark Zuckerberg

Competitive dynamics between OpenAI and other AI model developers

Play.ht vs ElevenLabs

The tension between platforms and developers building on top of them

The best thing startups can do to compete with foundation model providers

User identity/authentication services like Login with OpenAI

Google vs the other live players

AI Horcruxes / Pendants