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A Club You Don't Want To Be In with Joan Vassos, Kathy Swarts, and Michael Allio
53 minutes Posted Jul 2, 2026 at 7:00 pm.
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Bachelor Nation favorites Joan Vassos, Kathy Swarts, and Michael Allio are all members of the club no one wants to be in - they’ve all lost a spouse. 

 

The three discuss processing grief, balancing parenthood with loss, and finding love in chapter two.

 

Plus, we hear about Michael’s new children’s book, Where The Wild Heart Grows, and its powerful message!

 

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