For many, the U.S. mall is an institution. But for others, as more brick-and-mortar stores face trouble, malls are an opportunity. More and more developers are looking at malls to redevelop them into apartment complexes, with restaurant and retail components. The Real Deal’s podcast Deconstruct chatted with Bill Shopoff of Shopoff Realty Investments, which is leading some of these conversions in California.

Credits: CBS New York