In The Trenches
In The Trenches
Steve Divitkos
A Playbook for Growing People-Intensive Service Companies
1 hour 27 minutes Posted May 22, 2025 at 10:00 am.
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Today's guest, John Ratliff, is a lifelong entrepreneur who founded a call center company called Apple Tree Answers, which he scaled through 24 separate bolt-on acquisitions, growing it over 3,000% prior to selling to a strategic buyer in 2012. He then went on to become a partner at an investment bank, where he has advised on countless small business transactions. All told, he has sat in nearly every seat at the M&A table — as a founder, buyer, seller, and now advisor. In our conversation today, we cover:


  • How he reduced frontline turnover from 115% annually to 18% annually
  • Lessons from acquiring 24 companies, including what he did differently in deals 23 & 24 relative to deals 1 & 2
  • How John stayed intimately connected to 650 employees across 24 locations
  • How he designed himself out of the day-to-day operations, spending just 15–25 hours per week inside of his business
  • How to spot real sellers, how to navigate the notoriously tricky transition between incoming & outgoing CEOs, and how to identify red flags in due diligence


Please enjoy!