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Watch the debate on Youtube:https://youtu.be/QYMC6nnuHdYIn this thought-provoking debate, I sit down with John E. Herbst (former US Ambassador to Ukraine, and head of the Eurasia Center at the Atlantic Council) and political theorist + Neoreactionary godfather Curtis Yarvin to clash over the trajectory of U.S. support for Ukraine, American foreign policy, and global hegemony.This deep-dive discussion tackles some of the most contentious geopolitical questions of our time: Is the conflict in Ukraine a vital defense of the liberal international order, or an overextension of American empire? What are the broader risks regarding Russia, China, and global security? Watch as two distinct perspectives collide over history, statecraft, and national interest.Curtis Yarvinhttps://x.com/curtis_yarvinhttps://graymirror.substack.com/John Herbsthttps://x.com/JohnEdHerbstLev Polyakov (Host & Editor / Animator)https://twitter.com/Levpohttps://levpo.substack.com/http://youtube.com/levpolyakov--Consider Supporting BTR by:Becoming a Parton: https://www.patreon.com/breaktherulesđ„ Get some scrumptious Biltong (South African Jerky) over athttp://biltongusa.com/ w/ Code: BTRâ Buying the most delicious coffee ever at https://jamnbean.com w/ Code: BTR10Both codes give you 10% Off & Free Shipping!FOLLOW BTR:Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/breaktherulesDISCORD: https://discord.gg/hHTNg3MTwitter - http://twitter.com/breakth3rulesSpotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/0yovF9Vo8n1fF1DGlMuWBhApple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/break-the-rules/id1543233584Chapters:00:00 Opening01:21 Intro03:17 Red Line & Force Deterence08:48 America's National Security Policy11:57 Why should Ukraine fight17:04 Old Right View Discredited?17:41 What Russian Occupation means21:36 Russia Today23:01 Western Imperialism26:57 Russia's intent & NATO enlargement31:36 Useful Idiots for Russia35:02 Axis Powers VS the International Order52:24 What if Russia keeps going