What if gravity is just entropy in disguise? Professor Erik Verlinde joins me to argue that gravity isn't a fundamental force—it's thermodynamic, emerging from quantum information the way gas pressure emerges from molecules bouncing around. We explore why spacetime may be stitched together by entanglement, and how dark energy and dark matter both pop out automatically without extra particles or parameters. Verlinde explains why the cosmological constant problem is a red herring, and why there may be no final theory of physics. When asked where the universe comes from, his answer is one word: chaos.SUPPORT:- Support me on Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe- Support me on Crypto: https://commerce.coinbase.com/checkout/de803625-87d3-4300-ab6d-85d4258834a9- Support me on PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4JOIN MY SUBSTACK (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.comLISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4eTIMESTAMPS:- - - - - - - - - - - - - LINKS MENTIONED:Papers, books, websites:- https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Tm64-J0AAAAJ- https://journals.aps.org/prb/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevB.4.3174- https://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0785- https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.02269- https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.47.777- https://amazon.com/dp/0486600688?tag=toe08-20- https://www.nature.com/articles/248030a0- https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:The_Field_Equations_of_Gravitation- https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9504004- https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0603001- https://arxiv.org/abs/1005.3035- https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0106112- https://arxiv.org/pdf/1408.3203- https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.02087- https://arxiv.org/abs/1905.08255- https://www.ias.edu/sns/events/iaspctspgi-workshop-quantum-aspects-black-holes-and-spacetime- https://amazon.com/dp/0262533413?tag=toe08-20Videos:- https://youtu.be/HIoviZe14pY- https://youtu.be/X4PdPnQuwjY- https://youtu.be/xZnafO__IZ0- https://youtu.be/gEK4-XtMwro- https://youtu.be/-BsHh3_vCMQ- https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8- https://youtu.be/bprxrGaf0Os- https://youtu.be/zNZCa1pVE20- https://youtu.be/ZUp9x44N3uE- https://youtu.be/2p_Hlm6aCok- https://youtu.be/kUHOoMX4Bqw- https://youtu.be/_yebLXsIdwo- https://youtu.be/Ve_Mpd6dGv8- https://youtu.be/0YRlQQw0d-4- https://youtu.be/Bnh-UNrxYZg- https://youtu.be/hF4SAketEHY- https://youtu.be/Iya6tYN37ow- https://youtu.be/0_Px5gbs9i0- https://youtu.be/gsSJPLX-BTA- https://youtu.be/73IdQGgfxas- https://youtu.be/c8iFtaltX-s Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science.SPONSOR: I subscribe to The Economist for their science and tech coverage. As a TOE listener, get 35% off! No other podcast has this: https://economist.com/TOELearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices