ChinaTalk
ChinaTalk
Jordan Schneider
Détente 2.0 with Mike Froman of CFR
1 hour 1 minutes Posted Dec 15, 2025 at 1:57 pm.
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Mike Froman is president of the Council on Foreign Relations and former U.S. Trade Representative. He joins ChinaTalk for the first time to discuss:

  • Why his 1992 dissertation on détente is suddenly relevant again – and why “positive linkage” fails to change adversary behavior,

  • How mutual assured destruction has shifted from nuclear weapons to rare earths, supply chains, and technology, and why the U.S. and China are stuck in a costly, uncomfortable stalemate,

  • Trump’s unorthodox use of economic leverage and America’s resilience problem,

  • CFR’s new cross-fellow initiatives on China, economics, and open-source analysis,

  • Plus: an inside look at how think tanks work — salaries, funding, and what to expect from Mike Froman’s tenure leading the CFR.

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