The second of five episodes featuring the lectures that became Rachel Zucker’s newest book, The Poetics of Wrongness. This episode contains audio of “What We Talk About When We Talk About the Confessional and What We Should Be Talking About,” presented at the University of Arizona Poetry Center (Tucson) on January 28, 2016. It also includes a new introduction by Rachel and a conversation recorded in April, 2023 with the founder and host of the Keep the Channel Open podcast, Mike Sakasegawa.