In which the second part of our chat with Stuffy Doll's Jupiter Zirkua and Jey Cieri unfolds; there are lot of Americans with terrible ideas who want to kill people; we could have used these anti-Trump people before the election; could we hate Mondays instead of refugees?; KC asks if there's ever been a separation of church and state; do we have to like the Pope now?; KC talks about her parents being refugees from Vietnam; her mom travels to four other countries before coming here; it hurts KC because she wouldn't have existed if this nonsense was happening; muslims are being treated like savages; Jeff thinks if more people knew refugees the idea that they are terrorists would lose traction; Jupiter says something amazingly incisive about ole DJT and capitalism; psychopathy and narcissism lead you nowhere good; Dandy from American Horror Story: Freakshow is Trump with a knife; nothing gets done without people power; Jey and Jupiter extoll everyone to call and write their legislators, to vote and raise heck; Kirsten Gillibrand for Prez 2020; Jupiter wants YOU to run for office; we hear about In Porch Taste, Jupiter and Jey's biweekly comedy show in Bremerton; we get into the writing process: Jeff shares his latest chapter; the group discusses heroism and is it real; what makes an artistic hero worth cutting off; Woody Allen was great in Antz; Jupiter feels bad for watching Carnage, one of Polanski's finest; he also mentions Kanye and Kim Kardashian for some reason; Jey does NOT bust out a sick freestyle; we get deep into the development of a Stuffy Doll song; and Florida is the Australia of the US.

Closing Song: "Helena" - My Chemical Romance

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