Mike talks to Sasha Issenberg, a political journalist whose work has appeared in Slate, Washington Monthly, The Atlantic, and lots of other places. He's a contributor to Bloomberg Politics and the author of multiple books, including the widely praised "The Victory Lab: The Secret Science of Winning Campaigns" which Politico called 'Moneyball for Politics'.

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