KOL238 | Libertopia 2012 IP Panel with Charles Johnson and Butler Shaffer from Kinsella On Liberty

KOL238 | Libertopia 2012 IP Panel with Charles Johnson and Butler Shaffer

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] faces out there [indiscernible_00:01:57]. I’m doing the moderating I guess, and leave it up to these two fine people to do all the substantive stuff. I would like to at least start this off with one question in which maybe we can get some responses to get this one thing started [indiscernible_00:02:29]. And that has to do with whether or not, in a state-less society, would we have patents or copyrights. And be careful how you answer that question. I don’t know if it’s either a yes-or-no answer [indiscernible_00:02:47]. What do you think?

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Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 238.

At Libertopia Oct. 12, 2012, I participated in an hour-long IP panel with Charles Johnson, moderated by Butler Shaffer.

Transcript below.

For my other presentation, and for more details, see KOL236 | Intellectual Nonsense: Fallacious Arguments for IP (Libertopia 2012).

Youtube:

https://youtu.be/lTWjqn16fGk

Libertopia 2012 IP Panel

Stephan Kinsella, Charles Johnson, and Butler Shaffer

Oct. 12, 2012

Transcript

M: Butler, Shaffer with his Gandalf stick [indiscernible_

STEPHAN KINSELLA: No. Charles Johnson.

M: Charles? Check.

M: Charles.

M: Charles Johnson [indiscernible_

STEPHAN KINSELLA: I think we need a third chair.

M: Did you want to – are we just going to use the podium?

M: Oh, I see.

M: We can bring out three chairs if you’d like.

M: I think three chairs is – that’s what we did yesterday. I think everyone sat down, and remember the first three rows must heckle. That is the rule. You must heckle and, in fact, under your seat a bucket of fruit, fairly old, and [indiscernible_

STEPHAN KINSELLA: Sorry.

M: No problem. It just comes with the territory.

M: All right, Mr. Butler, if you’d like to take it away I will have a seat [indiscernible_

BUTLER SHAFFER: Are we all set?

STEPHAN KINSELLA: We’re set.

BUTLER SHAFFER: Is this all turned on? I assume. All right. Our panel has to do with the personal significance of intellectual property [indiscernible_

STEPHAN KINSELLA: Charles, do you want to start since I had a shot at this yesterday?

CHARLES JOHNSON: Sure. So my position is no, there’s not going to be copyright or patent protections that look anything like the bundle of legal protections that go along with those today.

STEPHAN KINSELLA: Of course I agree. I actually think there wouldn’t be trademark, trade secret, or any other type of IP as well.

BUTLER SHAFFER: We’re set. Why don’t we go home?

[laughter]

BUTLER SHAFFER: The reason I ask that and the reason I ask it in the form of a question for which yes or no might not be a complete answer is here we see a problem with copyright or patent arising out of contract between tw...

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