Rob welcomes freelancer <a href="http://renaissancegamer.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Rowan Kaiser</a> and designer <a href="http://jonshaferondesign.com/" target="_blank">Jon Shafer</a> to talk about Crusader Kings 2. They swap stories, discuss the impact of making a family-based strategy game, and question whether there's all that much crusading going on here.

Three Moves Ahead 164: PAX East 2012 Panel: Strategy - What's Changing, What Needs To

Three Moves Ahead is the leading strategy game themed podcast on the internet. Every week a panel of knowledgeable gamers with strong opinions meets to talk about the strategy and war games of the day, design issues and games in the wider world.