TED LEO joins us after a brief news rundown. He's been touring America for over 25 years, playing punk and hardcore everywhere from the streets, to pubs with enough room in the corner, to 10,000 seat venues. You may know him from Chisel or Ted Leo and the Pharmacists or his project with Aimee Mann, The Both. He's also one of music's most outspoken political voices, this podcast's first and best friend, and he joined us to talk about music and protest under the age of Trump.

NOTE: Our intro of Ted got eaten in the editing process, and Jeb's trip to the Trump rally and Robert's latest video left too little time to strip out the edit and start again.