Code.org CEO Hadi Partovi talks with Kara Swisher about how he discovered his love for programming, and how Steve Jobs' death spurred him to create a non-profit that would spread that love to others. He argues that, just as students learn chemistry but don't all become chemists, education should reform to make young people digitally literate. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Recode Decode: Gavin Newsom, Lieutenant Governor, California

Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.